As the world turns…

2009 June 1
by Undercover Punk

So, alright, I wasn’t going to say anything about this because it’s foolish enough already, but now I’m pissed off:

CALLING OUT Twisty Faster for referring to a fellow member of the sex class as a CUNT is not an attempt on my part to “take her down,” to prove my moral superiority, or to “get my stats up.”

Guess what? Twisty Faster was WRONG. And she refuses to apologize.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I do NOT endorse the practice of remaining silent in the face of others’ feminist faux pas merely for the sake of comfort. I do NOT believe that one who maintains a feminist blog should get a Free Pass for using gendered slurs–no matter how genius and woman-centered their collective body of writings is. I will not be silent just because I am not viewed as her “equal.” Which is whole other load of patriarchal bullshit that I won’t get into just now.

But I am not calling names. Quite the contrary, I THANKED her for responding with an acknowledgment that her terminology was, indeed, NOT FEMINIST. I validated the aspects of her activity in the blog-o-sphere that I DO believe have feminist value.

I was pleased when I initially found her blog; I did celebrate the presence of such radical feminist views on the internet. Because that’s what I was looking for.

But then I read more. And I realized that, while IBTP provided humorous critiques of misogyny, it did not offer the kind of on-the-ground instruction in Woman Loving that I craved. You see, Twisty seems to lead a Separatist lifestyle, she seems to be a lesbian, yet she continues to EVADE these subjects with a commitment that makes you wonder WHY…? So I kept reading, surfed over to other blogs, identified new haunts, made new friends.

And I started my own blog. For my own catharsis.

I’m not ALWAYS nice. I’m not always RIGHT. And I’m not about to pretend that I am.

I consider HUMILITY to be a VIRTUE.

And I try to practice it. Call me morally superior if you want. But I have apologized more than once on this internet. And I expect to do it again. Because I. MAKE. MISTAKES.

When someone else points out my error, I do NOT jump to the conclusion that they are mean-spirited and wish to HURT me. What kind of narcissistic bullshit is that?? No, I CONSIDER their statement with the respect that (hopefully) they have shown me by taking the time to discuss/point out my flawed viewpoint.

And if this someone, who has shown me the courtesy of reading my work and who has taken the time to correct me, is a smaller blogger than I (ha!), I would not imagine that they were merely on a self-serving mission to get their own blog stats up! I might think that if they were wrong. Or if they continued to berate me after I apologized.

My initial words to Twist Faster were rather harsh, I admit. And I am not going to claim that the end (her inadequate response) justifies the means (my harshness).

I was, however, quite distressed, and even angered, by her obvious display of superiority and stubborn unwillingness to be accountable for her deliberate usage of misogynist language—it is NOT feminist. Not in my book. I maintain that behavior of this sort is reminiscent of patriarchal power dynamics (domination/submission).

She is not, in my mind, absolved of these characterizations based on her response because, while she acknowledged the misogyny, she did NOT take responsibility for the hypocrisy it evidenced. She did not show any interest in humility. Instead, she adopted an exaggerated persecution complex.

Just for the record, here’s what I said.

Cuntalina?!? CUNT-A-LINA?!?!? O.M.G. Well, if you’re saying that, I’m saying this:

Refusing to be accountable for one’s words is an implicit expression of superiority reminiscent of Patriarchy. That’s how males retain their authority; they refuse to be accountable for their atrocious behavior—nor is there a social institution that requires them to be accountable. (No, the law doesn’t work.)

I mean, are you done with blogging? Have you become so far above reproach that you’re pulling CUNTALINA out of your ass and dropping it like heart-warming nature crap onto the internet? Unequal power dynamics are not feminist. Especially when you scare the Blametariat into relative silence by threatening to stop blogging.

Even IF hellonhairylegs is right and you made a mistake, be a WOMAN and apologize. Or don’t. Claim that you don’t care what anyone thinks and you’ll repeat a Cuntalina chant accompanied by the Butt Dance until the cows come home. But say SOMETHING!

TF: <It’s not a very nice or feminist word, cuntalina, that’s true.>

Thank you for acknowledging the misogynist meaning of cuntalina. You had a moment of feminist indifference. I get it. That’s all I wanted to hear.

TF: <Perhaps using it in a moment of insouciance invalidates my entire worldview.>

No, it doesn’t. But, really, what kind of feminists would we be if we didn’t CHECK each other? I can only speak for myself, but I WANT other women to call me out when I’ve gone too far. I hope they ask me nicely the 1st time. I hope they allow me the occasional human indiscretion. But I hope they say something. That’s what intelligent, radical feminist Sisterhood is about. At least, that’s what I think.

And by the way, that wasn’t ALL I wanted to hear. It’s just all that could be reasonably expected.

Jill, I called you out. Yes, I asked for your accountability. By your own admission, you used the term CUNTALINA on purpose. When the calls for your response were sounded, surely, a reaction from the Blametariat was expected (something more than blind adoration, that is). Whether our faux pas are the result of honest mistakes or willful insolence, I don’t believe in ignoring them for the sake of comfort.

I do not enjoy hostility and I do not wish to fan its flames, for they are counter-productive to our shared interests. As I’ve already stated, I was treating you the way that I, as a non-superhero blogger, expect to be treated.

I do not intend to nominate you for Misogynist of the Year, nor does Cuntalinagate invalidate your entire world view. That is hyperbole. Twisty’s blog has undeniable feminist value–particularly because of its reliability, popularity, humorous analogies/terminology, and the collective educational contribution it consistently offers to the students of feminism. I would never take that from you.

And you know what? I don’t want to take that from her. I don’t need to. But this doesn’t mean that I LOVE everything she does and everything she stands for. Because I don’t. She is NOT above reproach. And she is NOT above critical analysis.

To repeat, I do not agree with or support Twisty Faster’s behavior in regard to Cuntalinagate.

I’m not trying to be the leader, the next Big Feminist. I’m too SEPARATIST for that. But I refuse to follow blindly. Can you IMAGINE such a woman???

RADICAL!!


I will not be shamed into silence. I will speak my mind when I feel that it is appropriate and necessary to do so. Because my mind works and I got AGENCY.

PS. Just in case anyone cares, the all-knowing WordPress Stats tell me that I get more traffic from AROOO than IBTP.

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  1. 2009 June 1

    But then I read more. And I realized that. while IBTP provided humorous critiques of misogyny, it did not offer the kind of on-the-ground instruction in Woman Loving that I craved.

    Exactly! That was always my beef, too. I think that pointing out misogyny is important…VERY important. Women need to know that men hate us. Women need to know that men would love to annihilate us and eliminate us from the planet altogether. Considering the major denial that most women have in regards to this (I know, I had it too, and I *still* sometimes catch myself being surprised by male behavior), it can’t be said often enough or loud enough.

    However, at some point, I’m gonna want some pointers on behaviors and actions that I can take. We may not be able to eliminate the patriarchy and make all women free, but there are things we can do to improve our lot (like not get married or even associate with men romantically). I’m noticing a major improvement in my moods and my general pleasure with life since giving up on the quest for a boyfriend (gag me!). I’m free in one aspect of my life, and it feels fucking fantabulous! But Twisty never gives any tips. She just goes on and on with how sucky it is to be female. I get sick of that after a while. I want to hear from women who are separatists, who are living the dream, and not b/c they are living on daddy’s money. I’m working class and live paycheck to paycheck, and I wouldn’t trade it for financial security with a man. Never. I want to hear about similar women. I want to know what women do when they aren’t any men around to police their actions. Funny, women calling women out for misogyny are said to be policing other feminists’ words, but who does more policing than men? They fucking colonize. They can’t let women be alone with their thoughts or heaven forbid, alone with another women.

    Anyway, I want more advice on how to live a separatist life, not constant commentary on all the crap in the media.

    • 2009 June 1

      OK, pet peeve here, I’m copy/pasting this comment I made on AW’s blog:

      I think a lot of criticism of [Twisty] is valid, but I don’t like when people talk about her farm purchased with “daddy’s money,” which is just a sexist way to look at it (why is it not her parents’ money or family money? It reminds me of how my dad insists the family house is “his house” and all the family money is “his money” even though my mom has a job too and also she worked 4 jobs to put him through schools so he could reach the level of education to make all the money they have).

      I assume you’re using “Daddy’s money” semi-ironically? It really does bother me. Even if the money is technically considered her father’s and her parents don’t have a joint bank account, did Twisty’s mother not contribute to the household in such a way as to be entitled to that money? I don’t know Twisty’s past or family live, but I really don’t like the idea of a couple’s joint earnings (and I do think that in most marriages, even if the woman has never received a paycheck, she has worked through child-rearing and household maintenance to help the man be able to reach his level of success) referred to as the man’s money.

      Everything else I agree with!

      • 2009 June 2
        undercover punk permalink

        I agree with you that it isn’t fair to assume Twisty’s financial circumstances or to characterize “family” money as belonging to “Daddy.” Nevertheless, I think the point is that Twisty doesn’t have to work for a living. She lives on a ranch. The separatist dream , if you will. But she’d NEVER admit it. (WHY??? Makes me crazy!) And being wealthy allows one, as I note in my “about” page, to challenge the status quo with relative safety and to preoccupy the mind with abstract philosophies of freedom rather than the tangible activities of survival. (Not that I’m wealthy! No, no, I’m a working woman & I support my SELF. But my many social advantages and related privileges have prevented me from having to toil away in minimum wage slavery. See one of my favorite books: Nickled & Dimed!) I suspect that Twisty’s haughty, unapologetic attitude is a significant motivating factor to this criticism. If she acknowledged her privilege, expressed some HUMILITY and gratitude, then people might not be so inclined to find fault with her apparent affluence. I mean, it doesn’t make it right for people to be so presumptuous, but I have to confess that I have little sympathy for Twisty Faster’s plight as a public figure and resulting blame that is directed at her. Anyways, wealth IS just another kind of financial dependency–how would she support herself if the money was gone? Oh, the phantom book. Right. My fault. HA!

    • 2009 June 2
      undercover punk permalink

      OMG, typo! Eeek! Thank you for pulling out that sentence and making me aware of it, bonobobabe!

      Also, YEAH!, nothing compares to the low-grade, every day happiness that follows from giving up on men entirely. I think I mentioned this before in comments to the Femininity series, but it was only after I gave up men that I was able to EMBRACE femininity on my own terms. It no longer felt oppressive and demanding. It was MINE. And I could take what I wanted, leave what I didn’t. Femininity doesn’t care, men do. When you give up men and their unrelenting, ever-so-subtle expectations of female subordination, YOU are also more YOURS.

      Oh, there are not proper words for the liberation it brings!! (we’re not supposed to have words for that!) Sobriety is a sublimely beautiful thing.

  2. 2009 June 2

    You know, I’m not sure I understand the difference between living off of daddy’s money and living off hubby’s. Can’t renounce marriage without also denouncing the nuclear family and all of the property laws therewith. So, I don’t have any problem with people pointing out that she’s living on land daddy’s death gave her access to.

    • 2009 June 2

      But I don’t really agree that there is such a thing as “hubby’s money” with the way women work their asses off to support their husbands in our society … I feel like if my mom wanted to get divorced, she should get half of their shared assets, because she worked much, much harder throughout their marriage to support him and raise his children, and it’s not “his” money even though the bigger paychecks do bear his name.

      Yes, this is a capitalistic way of looking at things, but within our capitalistic, patriarchal society, I do think money earned by the husband is equally earned by, and deserved by, his wife.

    • 2009 June 2

      But I don’t really agree that there is such a thing as “hubby’s money” with the way women work their asses off to support their husbands in our society …

      Yes, well, I see supporting a husband (or, being a man’s daughter) as an illegitimate and male supremacist way to make a living. So, even though I’m not opposed to women already embroiled right now getting a share, so to speak, if they leave their marriages, I am opposed to the notion that we should encourage girls not yet married to seek out a share of the money in a future marriage. I mean, ideally, they wouldn’t be getting married (or living like married people without the certificate) at all.

      • 2009 June 2

        Agree with you there.

        • 2009 June 2
          undercover punk permalink

          And I agree with BOTH of you.

          Married women are equally deserving of the monetary payments “earned” by their husband’s gainful employment. At the same time, women should STOP getting married to men at all. And STOP engaging in economic partnerships with men. Period. Because it inevitably capitalizes on male supremacy.

  3. 2009 June 2
    Level Best permalink

    Well, I read a wide range of feminist blogs from the most radical to centist, and I’m beginning to think of individual feminist bloggers as serving different functions along the wide range of the readers’ consciounesses. For example, Shapely Prose is what I would consider a centrist feminist blog–and I can tell from the comments there that it’s really helping women who came there primarily from the standpoints of fat acceptance and health at any size to become feminists if they weren’t before and to grow more feministic if they were feminists to begin with. For social-liberal feminism there are blogs such as Shakespeare’s Sister, Pandagon, Feministe, and Echidne. For pumas there are Reclusive Leftist, Convergence, Peacocks and Lilies,and more. For those who are WAY more to the side of radfem in their journey and awareness, AROOO, Womensspace, Feminist Reprise, Cows Gone Wilde, and certainly this blog provoke thought, conversations, and speculation. I read all along the spectrum and mostly enjoy the diversity. And I believe that I Blame the Patriarchy is good for feminism in that it is certainly contrary to the humorless-feminist stereotype that gets beaten to death, offers awareness of Mother Earth’s critters and bounty (mmm, vegetarian food!), and attracts a lot of commenters with blogs that I otherwise wouldn’t have heard of.

    I think everybody serves a useful function, and I feel kinda philosophical about their “specialties” despite any perceived deficiencies I might stumble over. I think Twisty/Jill is very, very funny,readable, and smart. I don’t look to her for ethical or practical insights, however, and I need these and very much appreciate your bringing these dimensions to your posts. I believe all who challenged Twisty/Jill over using a perjorative gendered slur were correct to do so; I probably haven’t commented there more than a half dozen times total over the years, but I noticed regulars protesting/questioning. Along the way this minority of readers who did react with shock and protest will probably help her to grow as a radfem; she will remember this and I hope expand.

    I am working class from working class roots. By dent of being an avid reader (thank you bookmobiles and local library branches!) I got a college education through full tuition back nearly 40 years ago when such things were still possible and got a good introduction to second wave feminism. Class perspective is certainly something that I notice, and I think the insouiance of the wealthy trust-funded blogger might have fed into this lapse of language. On the other hand, I certainly wouldn’t turn down trust-fund $$$ if I wandered into a parallel universe where it was available to me, but I would carry into newfound “security” an entire long lifetime of not having had it.

    Sorry for the War and Peace length-itude here. You all inspire me to be reflective.

    • 2009 June 2
      undercover punk permalink

      Long comments are ALWAYS welcome here–especially when they’re as thoughtful & comprehensive as this one! :)
      And your use of insouciance made me laugh out loud (at work)!! HA!

    • 2009 June 2

      Level Best, where is this Convergence place?

  4. 2009 June 2
    Level Best permalink

    And I meant “by dint of” up there. Sorry!

  5. 2009 June 2

    Yes, absolutely. I appreciated your (and others) comments over there. Just, yuck. Yuck yuck yuck. And just disgusted by alllll the posters who just laughed it off or were making snide comments about humorless feminists!! Just weird. Definitely not the blog I started reading a few years ago.

  6. 2009 June 2
    Level Best permalink

    OK, I’ve been running off at the finger-tips here, but I just read a post by littleisis on Convergence, and I think it expresses the power of sexist slurs such as “cee-alina” well: “. . .to demean someone on sexual terms is make them less than human.” Yes.

  7. 2009 June 2

    Oh, also wanted to add:

    Bess, anyone who gives you any kind of negative feedback or thinks this is ego-driven is crazy! You are absolutely the nicest feminist blogger I know (no offense to other bloggers, but it’s true)!

  8. 2009 June 2

    Undercover punk, we know the deal, so those other folks don’t matter. You know what I mean? Forgetaboutit. LOL!

  9. 2009 June 3
    Level Best permalink

    Kitty, the Convergence is at http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/. It is primarily a feminist puma blog, and I particularly like a pagan contributor whose blogger name is littleisis.

  10. 2009 June 3
    AntiLoquax permalink

    Reading the comments at IBTP was making me feel very alone, but your (and others’) posts make me feel much less so. Thanks!

    It’s really wierd how only about 10% of those comments actually disagree with Twisty, and yet it’s seen as a massive contingent of raging malevolence.

    The worst part of it by far is the idea that you should be correct most of the time, but don’t be too correct, don’t have too high standards, because then you are shaming, piling on and on a high horse. That attitude makes me wonder if I’m the only one actually trying to be a better person, rather than just trying to feel better about myself.

    • 2009 June 4
      undercover punk permalink

      Uh-huh! This is the evil ESCALATION I’ve been talking about!! It’s SOOOO unnecessary!! My first comment, as I said, might have been a little harsh. Harsher than most of the others, for sure. But the reaction has been TOTALLY OUT OF PROPORTION. No one called Twisty a cunt in response, you know?

      Bonobobabe said somewhere that she’s all for “quickly regrouping,” putting it behind us, and moving back into a supportive stance. I think this is RIGHT ON! Humanity, humility, and forgiveness go hand-in-hand with Sisterhood. (maybe I’ll make a post about that too…) You make a mistake, you acknowledge it, provide some kind of explanation, and at least explicitly apologize for the way it was interpreted by others (if you can’t muster a sincere apology for the initial offense), then we all get back on the road and continue on without unnecessary schisms! How HARD is that??? UGH! We live, we learn, *we GROW, and we MOVE ON.* That’s what I’m talking about!!

      Thanks for the support! :)

  11. 2009 June 5

    What’s a puma?

    • 2009 June 5
      undercover punk permalink

      I had the same question! I googled too! Too bad radfems didn’t co-opt that one first…it’s a sweet name.

  12. 2009 June 5

    Nevermind, I googled it. Supporters of Hillary.

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